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  • 09-25-2009, 02:37 PM
    TheDarkAtheist
    Prepare to get cries of "out of context" or some other excuse/cop out from some Christians. If any answer.
  • 09-25-2009, 02:33 PM
    Joe the Plumber
    Even if old earth creation were true, how did the basic elements come into being?
    The Being who created the universe is unable to be explained by the human mind.
    God knew about the "Tree of Knowledge incident" in advance.
    He made man with a free will...and man messed up not just Eve.
    In terms of errors and inconsistency, historic documents other than the Bible have more inconsistencies.

    If you truly want to know more go to Josh McDowell's web site.

    The one true God, whose Son is Jesus, is indescribably awesome.
    His way is perfect and if you can put your trust in His death, burial and resurrection then and only then can you see your true reason for existence.

    Email me if you like.
  • 09-25-2009, 02:33 PM
    Joe the Plumber
    Even if old earth creation were true, how did the basic elements come into being?
    The Being who created the universe is unable to be explained by the human mind.
    God knew about the "Tree of Knowledge incident" in advance.
    He made man with a free will...and man messed up not just Eve.
    In terms of errors and inconsistency, historic documents other than the Bible have more inconsistencies.

    If you truly want to know more go to Josh McDowell's web site.

    The one true God, whose Son is Jesus, is indescribably awesome.
    His way is perfect and if you can put your trust in His death, burial and resurrection then and only then can you see your true reason for existence.

    Email me if you like.
  • 09-25-2009, 02:33 PM
    Johhny
    1)Without the sun and stars there would be no darkness or light so we couldn't distinguish them.
    2) It is the evolutionary track of self defense, we developed a higher level of thinking and have been ontop of the food chain since.
    3) Because she took the fruit and tempted adam to take it
    4)Because God knew it would happen it was supposed to happen to explain our knowledge, and conscience
    5) It is fate, we can't stop these events
    6) Because the angels must recognize one as safe and bells calm them
    7) Because these spirits are what is believed to have origionally tempted us as humans
    8) Because it was built as a hierarchy, with heaven as the outter most arc, earth as mid arc, and finally the underworld as the innermost arc
    9) The kingdom of Jesus is earth
  • 09-25-2009, 02:32 PM
    starlight
    It does not say he made day before Sun he says he made the stars to give light on the earth. That makes a lot of sense.

    2..He gave us the intelligence to know the difference.

    3 It was Adams place to inform his wife not to eat the forbidden fruit. Anyways, Eve knew or the serpent would not have had to say to her. "Go ahead and eat the fruit Eve, you won't die, God just does not want you to be wise.

    4. God chooses not to know where direction we will go, spiritually. He gives us free will.

    5. Read Genesis ch,. 6 God was upset at the violence and evil in man. He said I will destroy him. And guess whats on the God's agenda? He in the end will destroy all evil and everyone that is committed to it. He is giving man another chance by even sending his Son as a redeemer for us. We are to repent of sin and not practice it.

    6. We don't need the holy place now that Jesus came. He is the holy place. The vail fell apart when Jesus died on the cross, meaning he is our new covenant.

    7. Evil does not come from God. Evil is opposing God's will. God can cast out demons in people. But people can let them enter again by refusing to obey God's will.

    8 The earth is a circle because it is not a square or triangle. Close enough for me.

    9. His Kingdom is also here on earth. You are talking about hypocritical people now. Those who walk with Christians and claim to be one of them but are evil and living apart from God's ways.
  • 09-25-2009, 02:32 PM
    Johhny
    1)Without the sun and stars there would be no darkness or light so we couldn't distinguish them.
    2) It is the evolutionary track of self defense, we developed a higher level of thinking and have been ontop of the food chain since.
    3) Because she took the fruit and tempted adam to take it
    4)Because God knew it would happen it was supposed to happen to explain our knowledge, and conscience
    5) It is fate, we can't stop these events
    6) Because the angels must recognize one as safe and bells calm them
    7) Because these spirits are what is believed to have origionally tempted us as humans
    8) Because it was built as a hierarchy, with heaven as the outter most arc, earth as mid arc, and finally the underworld as the innermost arc
    9) The kingdom of Jesus is earth
  • 09-25-2009, 02:32 PM
    enginerd
    1. Don't be silly. These arguments have gone around for thousands of years. All holy books are metaphorical.

    2. I have never heard anybody claim that the bible must be the work of God because it is without error or inconsistency. That seems like a silly argument. I could write a few sentences that were without error or inconsistency and nobody would think that meant they were from God. What sort of a theologian are you talking to?

    3. Your list of inconsistencies boils down to two kinds:
    a. things the bible says god did that you don't understand or think shouldn't be (but who are you, and maybe god, being all knowing, did if for a really good reason)
    b. things that you place upon him on your own (for instance who says that God CAN'T prevent evil spirits in the first place, instead of that he chooses to do it that way)

    It is arrogant to believe that all the religious bible scholars have never noticed any of this or that you are just smarter than them. Whether God exists or not, it clearly isn't so obvious, or we would have done with it long ago. Just a little bit of answering so you can see how easy it is to answer each of your questions (not necessarily the truth, but an answer that fits the bill).

    1. source of light? anything, the face of God perhaps
    2. poisonous plants ? did you not read it, that was the garden of eden, outside it was different , things ate each other and plants were often poison
    3. eve blamed? by whom? and anyway, she certainly knew of the prohibition, what else do you think she and Adam had to talk about
    4. god know of tree incident? who says he didn't know how it was going to go? just cause he knew how it would end, doesn't mean he didn't let it go that way for his good reasons
    5. big flood extermination? so, do you know that death wasn't better for all those people and creatures than life? remember that god has this whole afterlife thing worked out
    6. etc etc

    Atheism is a defensible respectable position. Arrogance in your belief is not.
  • 09-25-2009, 02:32 PM
    starlight
    It does not say he made day before Sun he says he made the stars to give light on the earth. That makes a lot of sense.

    2..He gave us the intelligence to know the difference.

    3 It was Adams place to inform his wife not to eat the forbidden fruit. Anyways, Eve knew or the serpent would not have had to say to her. "Go ahead and eat the fruit Eve, you won't die, God just does not want you to be wise.

    4. God chooses not to know where direction we will go, spiritually. He gives us free will.

    5. Read Genesis ch,. 6 God was upset at the violence and evil in man. He said I will destroy him. And guess whats on the God's agenda? He in the end will destroy all evil and everyone that is committed to it. He is giving man another chance by even sending his Son as a redeemer for us. We are to repent of sin and not practice it.

    6. We don't need the holy place now that Jesus came. He is the holy place. The vail fell apart when Jesus died on the cross, meaning he is our new covenant.

    7. Evil does not come from God. Evil is opposing God's will. God can cast out demons in people. But people can let them enter again by refusing to obey God's will.

    8 The earth is a circle because it is not a square or triangle. Close enough for me.

    9. His Kingdom is also here on earth. You are talking about hypocritical people now. Those who walk with Christians and claim to be one of them but are evil and living apart from God's ways.
  • 09-25-2009, 02:29 PM
    Steven שמואל
    1. Figurative.
    2. They weren't poisonous in the Garden of Eden? IDK, good question.
    3. It's assumed that he told her. But yeah, Adam screwed up big time. Judaism doesn't blame Eve.
    4. He did know. Follow up?
    5. The Bible says that the *entire* world was corrupted. IDK what that means.
    6. Source?
    7. I'm not Christian, I don't believe that stuff.
    8. Source?
    9. I'm not Christian, I don't believe that stuff.
  • 09-25-2009, 02:27 PM
    Photographer
    bet you 5000 to 1 you don't get a logical answer on any of your points. I've done it for years.....sometimes they leave my class in tears if/when they finally see it for what it is.....pure mythology....and not very well written mythology at that.
    (I don't bet much, but I figure this one I can't lose...lol)
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