http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38267520 Apparently our soldiers are not enjoying this endless war.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38267520 Apparently our soldiers are not enjoying this endless war.
Back to the point about Karzai. If he is corrupt it is not because someone put him into power. Even if the Afghani's elected their leader (although I though they had Karzai) that leader is likely to be just as corrupt as Karzai himself. And likely to be a Taliban nut job, or worse, too.
Well thanks, everyone.
I think we agree that, as far as any taxpayer is concerned, we should not be in Afghanistan.
Unfortunately, the tax paying electorate has nothing to say but yes or no to whatever foreign and domestic policies are put in place in their name, no matter where you come from. Get it, world?
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0515-02.htm Bribery and supporting corruption is how international business is done. We do not do it for the citizens of the land. We don't care about them.We want their oil, tin and drugs. We have supported dictators for generations. That is who we are.
Have you ever heard of education? You may not believe it, but people from these countries can actually do the jobs. They are not lesser people ,children who need us to run their industries for them. That is insulting to them.
Well, you see, they are just the local party workers. To keep 'em vigilant and loyal , they're allowed to pick the low hanging fruit. Meanwhile, our 'elected' favorite and his buddies kick back on piles of taxpayer cash and arms.And of which culture do we speak? The briber or the bribed? When we move in, no matter how unfair and unjust the system in place is, we always reinforce it for profit.The reason the corruption exists is because of the culture that allows it.
OTOH, if a truly popular regime that threatens future profit happens to be in place, we have no compunction in overthrowing it.
So, who's ultimately responsible, Uzi?
Simply because we leave them no choice.If companies are bribing people it is because it is expected by the locals who run the countries.Yada.They allow it, and only they can stop it. But because it runs throughout the culture it is very difficult to curtail.
Collectivist cultures. Tribalist cultures. The culture predominant in the ME.
Speak for yourself. I've already told you we've lost money by not bribing people.
Yes, we overthrew the Taliban. Very popular government that one.OTOH, if a truly popular regime that threatens future profit happens to be in place, we have no compunction in overthrowing it.
The one asking for the bribe, of course. Why would anyone give money away when they didn't need to?So, who's ultimately responsible, Uzi?
I've already given an example of locals asking for bribes from locals. You just want to blame someone from the West as you seem to think that we are the only people in the world who cause grief for others. You seem to think that the human race is actually made up of us (the exploiters and evil peoples of the world) and them (the noble savage, who if only left alone would live in a natural paradise at one with nature).Simply because we leave them no choice.
Afghanistan was a corrupt country when we moved in. We did not make it better. We made it worse. When money gets bigger it exacerbates corruption. The top thieves get even more power and bigger weapons. They hire bigger armies to protect them and do their bidding.
When we moved in, the drug growers had been stopped and the land was growing food. Now it is back like it was, a huge drug operation. We have done a disservice to the people .
Karzai's brother is reputed to be the king pin of the Afghan drug trade. It will not be stopped. Between drug money and American tax money, the Karzai people are getting extremely rich.
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