Japan: "No cause for alarm"

[Xtal]

Pete C. wrote:

Some folks seem to sincerely believe the nonsense they are fed and have
no interest in thinking otherwise. Some folks believe that their
unresearched opinions are fact. Some folks believe that their poitical
opinion is fact and anyone who disagrees with them is wrong.


Where it really falls down is the willingness to lie to support your
political stance. Anti-nukles do that consistantly. They rant against
radiation ignoring the fact that coal fired plants release more
radiation than nuclear plants. (I'd need to study a bit to see if that
includes Chernobyl when the entire set of coal plants is compared agains
the entire set of nuclear plants. It definitely includes the large
but more limited releases in Japan this year).

The radiation leak situation in Japan is a mess and far worse than TMI.
The claim that no one has been killed by nuclear power from civilized
plants is going to stop being true. Not to the point of matching black
lung deaths but it will stop being true.

Folks used TMI to strangle nuclear power in the US for decades so why
shouldn't they use a tried and true tactic to strangle nuclear power in
the entire civilized world? Rather than pushing for a dynamically
stable replacement system they push for total elimination.

It's like the anti-gun folks who consistantly lie about law abiding gun
carrying citizens as a way to support their political stance.

Rational folks hold opposing political stances and understand that
others disagree. Rational folks try to avoid lying to support their own
stances. The anti-nuke folks are therefore not rational.

[Mackenzie goes BLEHHHH]

Japan: "No cause for alarm"

NHK reports...

"Radioactivity in the ocean 8km away, of radium #131 off the coast was way
beyond legal levels."

"16.4 times of radioactive iodine has been reported."

Does anyone but me get a sense of failure of Japan to disclose accurate
information?

Andy

[Brawlio]

Also, little reported except on NHK, 68,000+ are out of running water.

Hospitals also affected can't perform kidney dialysis, requiring 150 liters
of clean water per treatment.

More deaths resulting.

Andy

[bernice m]

J. Clarke wrote:

Replacement is stopped by political activism not rational reasons.
Check. This event has also shifted what system I prefer. I used to be
about even between the US sodium cooled fast breeder design and the
Canadian heavy water cooled slow breeder design. I now favor the CanDu
system because it is dynamically stable in the face of coolant loss.
Both use fuel that can be processed on systems that can not be used to
produce bomb material and both can be fueled with recycled spent fuel
that is reprocessed in a way that can not be used to produce bomb
material.


I am still unhappy with the location of the San Onofre plant in southern
California. I once toured the place as a part of an IEEE group. My
best friend from high school spent half of his career working there.

The location should be far enough inland that a tsunami will not reach
it. That's several kilometers on reasonably level land. A lot less in
the hilly terrain near San Onofre.

One big lesson from this event - Put the fuel tanks for the backup
cooling system underground not above ground. Retrofit projects to do
that at all plants should start in the next couple of years.

[GraceGiven]

In article , [email protected]
says...

Well, one solution is to deliver it all to Jimmy Carter's peanut farm
and let him deal with it. He's the one who passed the edict forbidding
it to be recycled in nuclear reactors and requiring that it be stored
forever and ever instead. Maybe when he starts to glow in the dark
he'll rethink that particular act of stupidity.

[jkurz2008]

J. Clarke wrote:

Semantics.

There's an internal containment vessel that holds the reactor itself.
It's a huge steel kettle that can be seen in the aerial photos. It is
not breached but it has been damaged irreparably. Once the short half
life elements settle and the vessel cools it will need to be defueled,
decommissioned and removed.

There's an external containment building that holds the internal
containment vessel, spent fuel storage tanks, control mechanisms and a
whole mess of other stuff. It's a huger reenforced concrete building
that has been blown to bits. The aerial photos show the internal vessel
through what used to be its concrete. It looks like you call the
external containment build a "missile shield". Okay, that was one of
its design criteria. No problem calling it that.

The radiation that is getting out would be from the primary coolant
loop and other material that was stored in the external containment
building. Bad stuff unless it is compared to Chernobyl. Of course it
is compared to Chernobyl all the time in the press.

[Steph07]

Re: [email protected] cal

J. Clarke wrote:


Stupid? Alrtighty, mister nuclear physicist wannabe. You just have no idea
what you're talking about.

Have to? Why? It's harmless in its present location, and right now nobody
goes near there, the area has been sealed off for years.

Pay attention for once. Do people in Japan seem to think this is "not much"?
Are you so compelled to argue with me over everything that you shut down
reality? Seriously?

Can't you read?


Why don't you, since you're an armchair/toolshed nuclear expert.


Again, do you live in a cave? Earthquake? tsunami? Major radiation
contamination? Durrrrrrrr???? Does your television or radio get something
called *news*? Really, WTF is the matter with you? Other than your
compulsive need to argue which interferes with your common sense?

Go away.

[laurfranchieexo]

"Andy" wrote in message news:[email protected]...

I'm not feeling too good about it. I keep hearing reports that radiation
has reached our coast, even though they said it wouldn't.

[shomi dastats]

Re: [email protected] cal

J. Clarke wrote:


20 miles vs 50 miles. Google it.


No. But you knew that.


Pick one:
a: With a rectal probe
b: by truncating the sentence so it seems to say something different
c: by trying to pick nits and divert the discussion to a needless argument


Nothing was disposed of at Chernobyl. Sealing it up means no need to clean
up and transport tons of hazardous waste.


So what? That whole reactor complex is toast forever. The surrounding area
will not be habitable or workable. MIght as well seal it up with enough
treated concrete to withstand anything.

[Monica D]

"Julie Bove" wrote:



Julie,

If I could perform miracles, I'd make it all go away.

Best,

Andy