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    Science is based on observation. Math is not. In fact, in the 1500s when science was first being developed in Europe, some of the top thinkers argued that math had no place in science, for just these reasons. (See "Science and Change 1500-1700" by Hugh Kearney)

    Kramer and Dorst's claims have been debunked repeatedly. Look at the Dover trial, and even Michael Behe admitted this.

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    Yes, me

    Belief is detrimental to rational thought and one can not seek the truth when blinded by belief

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    “Not a single observation, not a single experimental result, has ever emerged in 150 years that contradicts the general outlines of the theory of evolution. Any theory that can stand up to 150 years of contentious testing is a pretty darn good theory, and that's what evolution is.”
    Kenneth R. Miller.

    “People cited violation of the First Amendment when a New Jersey schoolteacher asserted that evolution and the Big Bang are not scientific and that Noah's ark carried dinosaurs.

    This case is not about the need to separate church and state; it's about the need to separate ignorant, scientifically illiterate people from the ranks of teachers.”

    Neil deGrasse Tyson

    “Intelligent Design Is Stupid”

    Neil deGrasse Tyson

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    Creationist Scientists are not right. They only take what's in the Bible to be fact and true, which isn't so. The bible can't be science and fact. If that is true then why put mythological stories in the Bible? Like the talking snake for example, that would mean that it actually happened. Most people, even most fundamental Christians, will acknowledge that some of the Bible is symbolic. At the same time they will take other text in the Bible literally.

    A BOOK CAN'T BE PART HISTORICAL AND PART SYMBOLIC ESPECIALLY WHEN IT DOESN'T TELL YOU WHICH IS WHICH,

    You simply cannot do that. Either everything is historical or nothing is.

    I do have proof that there is no such God to ever exist, if you are very serious you would watch it. Because if you don't, well then you of all people are definitely not looking for the truth, you're just out to bad mouth non-believers.
    The real website is www.zeitgeistmovie.com but the YouTube videos below are taken from the website to be more accessible to the public.

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    "The idea of God was not a lie but a device of the unconscious which needed to be decoded by psychology. A personal god was nothing more than an exalted father-figure: desire for such a deity sprang from infantile yearnings for a powerful, protective father, for justice and fairness and for life to go on forever. God is simply a projection of these desires, feared and worshipped by human beings out of an abiding sense of helplessness. Religion belonged to the infancy of the human race; it had been a necessary stage in the transition from childhood to maturity. It had promoted ethical values which were essential to society. Now that humanity had come of age, however, it should be left behind."
    SIGMUND FREUD

    Mistaken Theist: Try harder next time

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    Out of millions of scientists you find three that share your outlandish beliefs.

    So what.

    EDIT

    I'd be happy to debate complexity, you start.

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    yawn, what created god?

 

 

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