Re: Prison in Norway

[Yes... wait a minute...no]

Apparently NYC is all the rage again. Where's DE to tell us all how it's a pile of liberal shit and a cesspool for crime?

[golfguy8899]

Because DEDKAL was herp-derping about this before, as if further proof of his simplemindedness was necessary. This editorial basically illustrates everything I was saying in that thread.



http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/07/norwegian-v-american-justice

American justice, fuck yea?

[In God we trust.]

Norway is clearly more advanced than US in terms of crime and punishment..
if you treat people like animals they will act like animals when they get out

[crazyhorsegirl]

Considering it's the latter half of 2011, yes.

[[♥]"Liz]

It's not problematic, except in the sense that it makes America look ridiculous. It is absolutely appropriate to compare the rate of incarceration, especially for "victimless" crimes - look at what those accused are subject to. Also, the Theroux documentary is scary - a good nuraber of those prisoners are (as mentioned) just WAITING for trial.

Any attempt to separate the two is fallacious at best, because one cannot compare the efficacy of criminal law systems without also comparing the prison environment.

[sadcafe]

Someone help...does this really attempt to say America's murder rate is higher because after someone commits a murder they go to a worse prison than Norway?

[LAV]

The goal of justice should not be retribution, but prevention. If someone cannot be changed they must be isolated to prevent further offenses.

Simple.

[I killz you.]

Japan has about 140 million, and a population density about 10 times that of USA - with a murder rate a fraction of USA

Germany, Spain, France, Austria, Denmark, Poland, Italy etc.. (basically most of Europe) are all similar to Japan ( they have much lower murder rates and much higher population densities than USA)

you cant use the "well we have a lot of people" card, not in a rational way at least

[metsgiantsfan333]

they are also completely different in terms of culture, population density, and social structure. almost to the point of being incomparable.

[d.nethaji anandhavalli]

are you really this simple? america's murder rate (overall crime rate also) is much higher because the US prison system enRAB up encouraging lifelong criminal activity, rather than rehabilitation.