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  • 10-26-2009, 04:22 PM
    L.C.
    But men are not damned if they believe they have a Savior... Jesus Christ.
  • 10-26-2009, 04:22 PM
    Kieran
    God made it to give us sin so he can save us from the sin he originally condemned us to and then look like a hero!

    WOW
  • 10-26-2009, 04:22 PM
    L.C.
    But men are not damned if they believe they have a Savior... Jesus Christ.
  • 10-26-2009, 04:21 PM
    God's servant
    God did not tempt them in the garden satan did
    yes God knew they would give in and sin.

    no God did not tempt them

    no he did not endow them to be deceitful

    men learn those things own their own.
    being deceitful is a action not a physical ability.

    men make the choice to follow God or not to follow God.
  • 10-26-2009, 04:21 PM
    Fascist asskicker
    Not only that,he planned it to happen this way.
  • 10-26-2009, 04:21 PM
    Ashley D
    exactly

    your going to get your standard stock answers saying "god gave them the free will to choose" but if that were the case, still taking into consideration that god is all knowing, god would have known which choices they were going to make, thus negating the whole free will idea. so either god is not all knowing, or we dont have free will. which is it?
  • 10-26-2009, 04:20 PM
    abk
    i totally agree, and I have no answer. It doesn't make sense to me either why god would get angry or upset at something he knew would happen.
  • 10-26-2009, 04:20 PM
    Ashley D
    exactly

    your going to get your standard stock answers saying "god gave them the free will to choose" but if that were the case, still taking into consideration that god is all knowing, god would have known which choices they were going to make, thus negating the whole free will idea. so either god is not all knowing, or we dont have free will. which is it?
  • 10-26-2009, 04:20 PM
    Buckit
    God has a divine plan for everything.
  • 10-26-2009, 04:20 PM
    Cactus12
    Here is what God set before Adam and Eve: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving upon the earth.” “And Jehovah God also laid this command upon the man: ‘From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will positively die.’” (Gen. 1:28; 2:16,*17) Would you encourage your children to undertake a project with a marvelous future, knowing from the start that it was doomed to failure? Would you warn them of harm, while knowing that you had planned everything so that they were sure to come to grief? Is it reasonable, then, to attribute such to God?

    Matt. 7:11: “If you, although being wicked [or, “bad as you are,” NE], know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more so will your Father who is in the heavens give good things to those asking him?”

    If God foreordained and foreknew Adam’s sin and all that would result from this, it would mean that by creating Adam, God deliberately set in motion all the wickedness committed in human history. He would be the Source of all the wars, the crime, the immorality, the oppression, the lying, the hypocrisy, the disease. But the Bible clearly says: “You are not a God taking delight in wickedness.” (Ps. 5:4) “Anyone loving violence His soul certainly hates.” (Ps. 11:5) “God .*.*. cannot lie.” (Titus 1:2) “From oppression and from violence he [the One designated by God as Messianic King] will redeem their soul, and their blood will be precious in his eyes.” (Ps. 72:14) “God is love.” (1*John 4:8) “He is a lover of righteousness and justice.”—Ps. 33:5.

    Deut. 31:20,*21: “I shall bring them [the nation of Israel] to the ground that I have sworn about to their forefathers, which flows with milk and honey, and they will certainly eat and be satisfied and grow fat and turn to other gods, and they will indeed serve them and treat me with disrespect and break my covenant. And it must occur that when many calamities and distresses will come upon them, this song [recounting how they acted because of failing to appreciate God’s favor] must also answer before them as a witness, .*.*. for I well know their inclination that they are developing today before I bring them into the land about which I have sworn.” (Note that God’s ability to discern the outcome of their course did not mean that he was responsible for it or that it was what he wanted for them, but on the basis of what they were doing he could foresee the outcome. Similarly, on the basis of what is observed, a weather forecaster may predict the weather with a great degree of accuracy, but he does not cause it or necessarily like it.)

    Illustration: The owner of a radio can listen to the world news. But the fact that he can listen to a certain station does not mean that he does. He must first turn on the radio and then select the station. Likewise, God has the ability to foreknow events, but the Bible shows that he makes selective and discretionary use of that ability, with due regard for the free will with which he has endowed his human creation.—Compare Genesis 22:12; 18:20,*21.
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