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And?? Yes, we knew Lincoln wasn't for 'equality'. Did you want to be the party of the 19th century, or the one of the 21st? The puritans weren't all that nice or cordial to the indians either....does that mean we should discount EVERY single thing they stood for, based on some aspects that we wholeheartedly disagree with?

Since Lincoln is dead and the times then are totally different than now I really do not think he would be appalled.

Since Lincoln is dead and the times then are totally different than now I really do not think he would be appalled.

Are you implying that it's only liberals that believed freeing the slaves was a good thing?

Lincoln didn't hate blacks - he didn't think much of them for the most part, but he did hold respect for those that proved themselves. He was friends and held respect for Frederick Douglas, even inviting him to the White House.

The freeing of the slaves WAS a mostly political move, but it was still an important one, and Lincoln was still ahead of his times in terms of race.

And what the hell do liberals have to do with this anyways?

ROFL, this is too good...

Lincoln was a Conservative

Lincoln actually never freed the slaves, only some of them. His emancipation proclamation only freed the slaves in the rebel southern states. The proclamation did not apply to the 5 slave states in the north - Yes that's right, the north had slaves too.

The slaves were actually freed in December 1865 with the passage of the 13th Amendment to the Constitution. The 13th Amendment freed the slaves in New Jersey, Delaware, Missouri and Kentucky. Maryland's slaves were freed in 1864 by the State legislature. These facts are usually overlooked in modern, revisionist history books which give Lincoln all the credit.

BTW - Lincoln was a Republican and the Democratic party was the party of slavery.

Back then the common perception was that Monkeys came first, Blacks came quickly thereafter and Whites were far superior to blacks. That is why the monkey moniker towards blacks is always considered racist, but not towards whites.

It was simply a sign of the times and yes, Lincoln would be considered a racist by today's standards, closer associated with white supremacist.

But that does not change the fact that he has rightfully earned his place in history as one of our best.

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Did you know that Lincoln was a republican?

Abe was very open with his struggle over this issue, up unitl he signed the bill he stated he was unsure what was best for the country.

Yes, I think everyone realizes that. Racism was the norm in the 1860's... Lincoln was normal in that regard, though he was very progressive for his time.