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In my experience with the T|X (and likely all NVFS devices), there is no such thing as a 100% data-wiping reset.

When I did the most complete "factory reset" procedure possible with the T|X because I was going to sell it shortly after buying it, trying it, and not liking it, I was more than a bit surprised that when I decided to give it one more try (since this was back in the days when we were all still stumbling through software compatibility issues with NVFS) and I setup my email again, it asked me if I wanted to overwrite "[email protected]" ???!!!!! So much for a complete hard reset.

Makes you wonder what phone account information is still in there, eh? When I did ultimately sell it a few months later, I did another hard reset, installed FileZ on it, changed the attributes on the all the files, and then went through and deleted everything that (of course) wasn't on the ROM and then did another hard reset so those files would be recreated without a residue of my configuration/information.

That's the only way you'll get a 100% hard reset back to factory condition and wiping your information off the device. That's one of the things I love about my trust ol' Palm Tungsten|C. When I hard reset it, everything is definitely gone. Stupid NVFS.

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Thanks for the info I'm slowly learning the ways of the palm.I've " hard reset" and lost everything but no big Deal. Been doing my forms surfing and I got to say thanks
I'm really glad I stumbled upon such greatness .

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The real mystery here, is not how VZW figures out a newer way to strip its customers off their hard-earned bucks, by the cart loads. The mystery here is how Mr. r0k, with the patience so low he sometimes shows, managed to keep his sense for so long, instead of getting into a gun shop and purchasing a couple of presents for his local VZW rep

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Well pretty much that Android is so much an evolution from Palm. My opinion is probably pretty rare on that one i'm guessing, but I think it's actually in the wrong direction. Many of the cons you listed could be argued to be pluses from another perspective, like energy efficiency. But we can disagree on that one.


Understood now. I've never found it that frustrating personally, but obviously experiences vary.

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IMHO, the VZW feature phones aren't quite so bad as r0k portrays them to be. The main menu he listed is accurate, but as of 3 years ago, depending on the specific phone, one could assign one or more shortcut buttons to quickly navigate to a calculator, or alarms, or photos, or.........I can get to the Calculator tree (it offers 3 types -- normal, tip and converter) in 5 button-presses, without the shortcut method, btw.

also, on my ancient (in dog years, let alone mobile comm years ) Samsung Flipshot, I have no problem differentiating the different icons for a contacts multiple numbers.

YMMV

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It was a surprise to me. Another argument for separating the carriers from the devices.

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LS, I think Verizon has gotten much better; but what r0k says seems to be true, at least for the RAZR era. Those phones are such a mess, it's beyond comprehension.

Frankly, as for the iPhone, I don't see how you can bash Verizon in anticipation, while not mentioning (in this thread anyway) how heavy-handed ATT has been with the iPhone and iPad. Rip-off data plans, blocking tethering, very slow adoption of MMS (has it been executed yet?), restricting Skype and SlingBox to WiFi, etc., etc.

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You are NOT selling me on a move to Verizon. I wish Tmo had better coverage in my area but will keep my supplemental SouthernLINC prepaid, I think.

I didn't realize they still rig their devices this way. You have to BUY a calculator program? Sheesh!

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And you notice I'm not sobbing crocodile tears over yet another Verizon iPhone rumor? I can only imagine what those idiots would try to do to an iPhone. Steve Jobs' head would fall off and roll away if Verizon managed to do to an iPhone what they did to my 755p. The greatest tragedy is that I was paying Verizon's $45 a month enterprise data rate so I could try to use their sync service (which of course didn't work to my expectations). My cost went down twice. It went down (to $30) when I switched to a Blackberry 8830 where I averaged 6 MB a month of data usage. It went down again (to $15) when I went to At&t's 200 MB capped data plan of which I use about 60-100MB. So with the latest iPhone I'm now paying 1/3 of the data price I paid to use blazer on a badly busted 755p. No wonder there's a data class-action lawsuit against Verizon right now.

But it's not just price. Yesterday, I was comparing (work issued) phone user interfaces with a friend who has a Motorola phone. Verizon enforces the same user interface across all their dumb phones. It goes something like this...

1. My Verizon
2. Tools
3. Sounds Settings
4. Display Settings
5. Phone Settings
6. Call Settings
7. Memory
8. Phone Info
9. SIM Info (for world phones)

Ok. What's the difference between Phone settings and Call settings? Where is the calculator? It turns out it is about 8 levels deep. From the main screen, hit enter twice and it takes you someplace to spend money.

If you set more than one phone number for a contact, Verizon provides icons that are the same across all their phones. The HomePhone icon, MobilePhone icon and WorkPhone icon differ by at most 5 or 6 pixels and no colors. Somebody call you from work and you want to call their cell? It's faster to punch 10 digits than unravel Verizon's outdated user interface! I wind up creating separate contacts for people based on which number I want to call them at, ie Wife Work, Wife Cell and Wife Home. Geez. It seems like Missing Sync isn't the only company in the business of duplicating data! Yes, Verizon are total idiots at everything but providing a decent signal and making commercials about providing a decent signal. I suppose I should mention that talking to VZW customer service isn't all that bad, really. They are pretty good at customer service but the things they do to innocent phones are just ghastly.

They have pulled the same crap with many of their older smart phones. VZ navigator was the only way for me to use navigation on my old BB 8830 until I upgraded to OS 4.5 and then I was resetting 3 times a week to recover from 0 filefree. Look what that's done for my loyalty...

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with respect, Jeff, I submit that a great deal of your problems (not issues; issues isn't strong enough, imho) were due to what VZW made Palm do to their base CDMA 755p. I'm just sayin'...