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    Does Hegelian dialectics apply to religion?

    I expect this question to go over the heads of most people but it's still worth asking.
    Smash It Up Darwin BANNED - Good observation. But how about (and anyone can answer) when religion fades to obscurity in the distant future? Is any kind of synthesis with religion possible? Does it have any features worth incorporating into a synthesis?
    i ? seals - Hegelian dialectics is really just a fancy word for a theory that says history consists of opposing viewpoints and when the difference between the viewpoints is resolved the resolution will contain elements of both.

    It certainly does apply to most things in history, but my question is when the theist-atheist divide is resolved will there be a synthesis. It doesn't seem likely to me which is why I'm asking. Does it seem likely to you?
    Martin T - Some writers are best made sense of second-hand.

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    Oh yes! I know all about the Hegelian Dialectic. It is prerequisite learning for any International Conspiracy Buff. How about The Garden of Eden? Is that not Hegelian Dialectics, right there?

    . GENESIS 3:1-7.

    NOW the Serpent was more subtil
    than any Beast of the Field
    which the LORD God had made.
    And he said unto the woman,
    "Yea, hath God said,
    'Ye shall not eat of every Tree of the Garden?' "

    Or The Plagues of Egypt?

    . EXODUS 4:21-23.

    21. And The LORD said unto Moses,
    "When thou goest to return into Egypt,
    see that thou do all those Wonders before Pharaoh,
    which I have put in thine hand:
    but I will harden his heart,
    that he shall not let the People go.
    22. "And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh,
    'Thus saith The LORD,
    "Israel is My Son, even My Firstborn:
    23. "And I say unto thee,
    'Let my son go,
    that he may serve Me:'
    and if thou refuse to let him go,
    behold, I will slay thy son,
    even thy Firstborn.'" '

    How about Ancient Israel's Military History?

    . JUDGES 3:1-4.

    NOW these are the nations which the LORD left,
    to prove Israel by them, even as many of Israel
    as had not known all the wars of Canaan;
    2. Only that the Generations of The Children of Israel
    might know, to teach them war,
    at the least such as before knew nothing thereof;
    3. Namely, five lords of the Philistines, and all the Canaanites,
    and the Sidonians, and the Hivites that dwelt in mount Lebanon,
    from mount Baalhermon unto the entering in of Hamath.
    4. And they were to prove Israel by them,
    to know whether they would hearken
    unto The Commandments of The LORD,
    which He commanded their fathers by the hand of Moses.

    God created The Problem which would drive His people into the Desired Solution which He would present. Wise Men down the Ages, having seen God do things like this, have taken it for justification. For instance, king David:

    . 2nd SAMUEL 11:14-17.

    14. And it came to pass in the morning,
    that David wrote a letter to Joab,
    and sent it by the hand of Uriah.
    15. And he wrote in the letter, saying,
    "Set ye Uriah in the forefront of the hottest battle,
    and retire ye from him, that he may be smitten,
    and die."
    16. And it came to pass, when Joab observed the city,
    that he assigned Uriah unto a place where he knew that valiant men were.
    17. And the men of the city went out, and fought with Joab:
    and there fell some of the people of the servants of David;
    and Uriah the Hittite died also.

    For the benefit of those (functional illiterates) who do not know the sordid story, David was (*Bleep!*)ing Uriah's wife, and used his Executive Privilege to get Uriah killed. (That's called: "*Aww!* If he were "really righteous," he would have called on God, and received the Spirit of Incredible Hulk Samson, and overcome ANY odds!") The Prophet Nathan was given The Divine Revelation to raise David's consciousness to a higher level: "Thus saith The LORD- Do as I say, not as I do- Thou Dickhead!" (Free translation.)

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    It did I guess for theistic evolution: religion (thesis) + evolution (antithesis) = liberal Christianity (synthesis)

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    I'd love to say I knew what that meant but I don't so I'm gonna google it and get back to you shortly.

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    Thesis: Spirituality/religion (focusing on inner experience) + antithesis: science (focusing on outer experience) -> a new synthesis found, for example, in the work of Ken Wilber. Both approaches are empirical, making use of trial and error, so they are not as far apart as they seem.

    Of course, most religion prefers dogma to actual experience - so it is withering away. I do not know what Hegel thought of things that withered, but Marx - after declaring that Hegel was upside down and needed to be put back on his feet - coined a nice phrase. He often declared that certain people and ideas were going to end up in "the dustbins of history".

    I find Hegel fascinating, but only know him second hand. I did struggle through 100 pages of his once, but have never found another writer who is so hard to make sense of,

 

 

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