Gnutella has a problem

[D37]

Bearshare now includes Cydoor. They have announced there will be a PRO version, like Limewire, without any kind of 3rd party software

http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/04272002a.php

[Ce Em Punk]

they never get enough. make money with spyware, make more by selling a spyware free version. I'd like to know which greedy idea comes next.

[tutia]

Bearshare lite?

Morgwen

[Maria_2244]

pretty smart, I have to say.

[juicedogs]

nonsense!

v0.4 clients are connected through non-Bearshare clients to the Gnutella network, Bearshare is blocking them! without some fair other clients Xolox wouldn't be able to find and download files from Bearshare. also Bearshare does advantage Bearshare clients. the protocol doesn't say that, your screenshot doesn't show it, but Vinnie did it and you know that too.

it is obviously true, that Bearshare alone would block some clients and does disadvantage all other clients. it's fact that other clients grant access and being fair, but Bearshare is a selfish pain for Gnutella. with a click of a button you are becoming a freeloader too, wtf, where does Bearshare misbehaviour ends....??

so please, save your hipocrisy and stop flooding with wrong information. don't you have some homeworks to do?

[Lively Stones]

I do not know of any 30 line rule if a Mod askes(in morgwens case askes nicely) then ill be happy to go back and edit out the quotes when i see such a notice keep in mind that i dont visit these forums everyday.

The fact that you personally attack my past posts by calling them flooding, ask me to be modded, and then hint that im a troll.. Then you expect me to take you seriously?

The gdf and network resources should be more easily able to access and find them and it will happen eventually not like it can be done overnight. You only read two messages so you really dont know anything that goes on there.

You see the major difference between gnutella and networks like fasttrack is two things.

first its an OPEN NETWORK!! Is Fasttrack an open network? No.. Its a propierty network.

and second gnutella is a PROTOCOL not just a network.

So your whole open source is the only hope for the future isnt valid because its impossible for a few programs to gain total control of an open network because if other programs dont like anything then they can just go start their own network.

Spyware let me repeat this for the millionth time SPYWARE IS NOT A NETWORK ISSUE.. Its the users choice to use whatever program they want. If you can use whatever program you want then others deserve that same right without your interferance because you have no bussiness to worry about whats on other people's computer because it DOES NOT AFFECT YOU.

Also i think its important that gnutellahosts not limewire had the first implementation of a "ultrapeer" type system with there reflector.. In either case they only improve the network and dont have any negative because nodes that dont have ultrapeers just connect like normal. Also i think its important to mention that other programs will be compatible with Limewires implementation.

In the end I think your just making up problems as you go along. Also remember that Gnutella is a protocol and if you want a "commerical-free" network then go start one like openp2pnet. Whos going to stop you?

You do not need to "fix" the current network in any way and if you truely believe that this "network free of commercial clients" will be as great as you claim it will be and it will be people's "only hope" in the future then im sure that you will have no problem in getting people to use it without resorting to bashing the current network, programs and etc at all.

[Planet earth]

Maybe if people could reply without resorting to personal remarks and sticking to the topic. Which is what i was complaining. But if you think its ok then ill just ignore it and their entire post in the future. Ive been called worse.

I didnt "whine"(in your terms) to Phantom81 post or any of the posts before.

But how can anything really be discussed anything if nothing but personal remarks, insults and etc are flying back and forth? Also what about things in the past here like all the anti-bearshare/limewire posts. Where all those really mature and meaningful posts posted by "mature" people.

[cecilio]

please make this private or whine at home, kid.

[DeadDrop12]

gnutella forums is the only place you can tell the truth about bearshare or limewire without being edited or deleted so it's no wonder there's so much bearshare bashing going on here.
everything is happy, happy, happy on the other forums (with massive deleting going on that is)

[hollyywoodwhore]

Well, i could copy your message and post it again here - or i say i agree to you!

I don't care if someone thinks i'm an idiot because i'm agreeing, but i've seen MUCH in my life, and i've heared many developers, agreeing in long discussions that the problem is that BS rules the GDF while it isn't a 100% free client.

Some other models are made, some other Protocols are begun - nothing changed, it seems as if many developers are like ... hm ... parrots for example: stupidly repeating what vinnie&co doing...

Why don't you all say what you're thinking? come on, tell me what you think! Be honest!