Atheists, have you ever had a discussion/debate with a "holy" leader?

**iPhone Jesus** · 09-30-2009, 03:36 AM

Can you describe it?

How did it go?

Sometimes I don't want to talk to these people because supposing I win the argument, I'll feel bad for showing them their profession is a waste. Secondly it might be a waste for me to try to reason with someone as .. *ahem* spiritual.... as them.

I'm excited for answers.
4th answerer,

I not going to go into specific examples, (that would take too long) but if I trapped them in a logical fallacy which there were no apologetic cop-out then that's what I was referring to.

Again the key word is "supposing."

You'll find a lot of these logical arguments all around the internet.

**Kou** · 09-30-2009, 03:36 AM

Yes, but it wasn't proving right and wrong. My pastor freely admits that some of his takes on the text of the Bible are opinion, we can choose whether or not to believe his views or to take our own, the only absolute truths are the words themselves.

**Climb_Bouys** · 09-30-2009, 03:36 AM

It doesn't really matter what you tell them. they won't ever listen. They cling to their beliefs, because it's all they have.

**Andrew** · 09-30-2009, 03:36 AM

Nope. I'd like to though.

Don't worry about winning though and breaking their faith. When they say that they really believe, they really mean it. The odds of you breaking their faith in god is less than 100:1.

I'd suggest not going into it with that objective anyway. I'd want to learn more about that frame of mind.

09-30-2009, 03:36 AM

A number of times.
They always go the same way.
I poke holes in the (in most cases) christans beliefs, and they fall back to the default position of the bible says it's true and they have faith, even when I've given them sound logical arguments to the contrary.
It's at that point that I just accept they can't acknowledge the logic, and move on.

09-30-2009, 03:39 AM

1- the bible is bullshit, a bunch of opinions on law throwen in a book and called a way to go to heaven
2- most christains have a lower iq to athists
3-most people are into good morals not religion
,religion is a fast way to good morals
4- religion creates war and racism
5- if religion is so good why does it express so much evil

**Ian** · 09-30-2009, 03:40 AM

Yes I have, as also with racists, bigamists, and sexists.

they're all the same and the argument usually consist of meaningless trivial things that they will obviously blow way outta proportion. I have never won an argument with them. ever. and I never plan to win one because a true religious/racist/ignorant person will never be deterred by fact despite how overwhelming the proof is.